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then it wouldn't be a surprise. again, thanks for watching tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight. good news continues for four candidates on top of the republican field, as news fox polling show who the voters like and dislike. we'll break down why those numbers matter. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm shannon brean in for megyn kelly tonight. first, ted cruz wins the values voters straw poll, with a speech that brought people to their feet with support. take a look. >> i'm here to ask each and every one of you to stand, stand in your faith, come together, how do we turn this country around, just like in 1980, we rise up as we the people and we
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say we will defend this best hope for man kind. this shining city on a hill that is the united states of america. [ applause ] thank you and god bless you! >> but senator cruz is not the only republican candidate enjoying a campaign upswing. ben carson saw fund-raising and polling bumps over the past week, appearing to show his comments on muslims and presidency failed to discourage his base. carly fiorina continues to draw more republican support as she builds time on the field, and senator marco rubio is feeling the spotlight from his former mentor. dr. ben carson way out ahead of the pack with a net positive of 52 points. next up is rubio and carly fiorina in at 35 and 30 net positive points. trump and bush way farther down.
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joining us now, our fox news digital editor and howie kurtz. good evening to you. chris, what do you make of this? because those favorables in the long run are very important. you can get a lot of headlines but not necessarily be loved by the potential voters that you neat to pull the trigger for you. >> let's say we decided to get into honest business and opened a coal mine and we were looking at which mine we wanted to buy. we would care a lot about how much that coal was going to produce, but we would also care how much was in the ground, the proven reserve still in the ground yet to be mined. these favorability ratings constitute what is yet to be mined for the candidates. who are the people open to the idea of potentially voting for them? that's why if you're cruz, carson, carly fiorina, if you're rubio, you say look, maybe i'm not number one right now, or in
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carson he's tied essentially for first place with donald trump, you say maybe i'm not number one, but i have proven reserves and people like what i'm saying. if you're jeb bush or donald trump, you say my reserves are thin and they have to figure out how to change that. >> howie, there was a time when being likable or funny or having a good quip on the campaign trail really didn't mean anything. that didn't factor into the way the people chose you should be president. but things have changed. >> being from brooklyn, i don't know anything about coal mines, but marco rubio is the only practicing politician who may be about to break out of the second tier. he's been helped by a couple of good debates and he is attacking donald trump. i know you're going to talk about this later, but insiders tell me that marco is not looking to engage trump but feels like he has to fight back, because trump is ramping up his attacks on the florida senator
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and i think that is the media loved conflict and that is getting some of the spotlight on rubio. if you told me three months ago that jeb bush would be in fifth or sixth place, i would have said it would be more likely that scientists would find water on mars. >> way to tie all the headlines of the day together, howie. okay, he is the master. chris, it's not just about favorability. and i know you've been looking at this, you have to have money to stay in the game. there are other factors. so when you put together what you need to stay in this to get to iowa and beyond, what does well with the combinations? >> right now ted cruz is doing single battle against the entire united states senate. it's not getting him anywhere, but it's not getting him anywhere procedurally, but it's getting him donations. the fight he's engaging with over funding and planned parenthood, that helps him get donations and stay in the game.
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he ole have plenty of money. that's why he's in a very good situation with ben carson. it was an open question, is ben carson going to have enough dough to go the distance? we find out that he has solid fund-raising in this quarter. $20 million his campaign manager told nbc. and they saw a substantial uptick after he said he wouldn't vote for a muslim president and he was rewarded by his donors for that. so building that war chest right now and rubio and carly fiorina are doing the same thing, that's how you get that coal mined. that's the money that you need to run your man trip to get in there and get that coal out on the conveyer belt. >> it's always back to west virginia, isn't it? >> when we can. >> back to brooklyn with howie. i watched senator ted cruz today on the floor when he railed on the establishment. he railed on republicans who he said have made all these promises, they won the house and the senate. that definitely is his line of argument and campaigning. but howie, is he going to -- it
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definitely appeals to his base and he's got a good grassroots army out there, but can he expand beyond that enough to win the nomination to stay alive for a while and long-term in a general? >> well, it depends on how angry republicans are at the mess in washington, because cruz, by decide, is not the most popular guy among beltway republicans. his fans love that. but people who are more skeptical say can he really -- is he so -- such an outlier of taking on what he calls the washington cartel, can he lead effectively? a general election, that could be more problematic. but going back to carson, the media have been pounding on him over a week over those comments on "meet the press," about i wouldn'ted advocate a muslim fo president. what this says to me is one, a lot of republican voters agree with him. and secondly, they dismiss what
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they see as the media elite that they see as out of step and carson more in tune. >> for a lot of these candidates, that's the damage of honor they're hoping to leverage. chris, howie, west virginia, brooklyn, good to see you both tonight. >> you bet. a major announcement today from the man at the top of the poll. donald trump unveiled his much awaited highly debated tax plan. carl cameron lays out the plan and we lay out why even though it's being well received by many republicans, there are skeptics tonight. and new questions whether hillary clinton just perjured herself, after a new batch of e-mails surfaced on friday. james rosen and judge napolitano investigate. and wait till you see what happened when a planned parenthood supporter decided to take on carly fiorina. the video and the fallout, tonight on "the kelly file."
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plan. after weeks of debating whether trump would raise taxes on the wealthiest of americans, something he's hinted at in the past, it seems we may finally have an answer. >> it will provide major tax relief for middle income and for most other americans. there will be a major tax reduction. it will simplify the tax code. it will grow the american economy at a level it hasn't seen for decades. >> chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in des moines, iowa with more. hello, carl. >> hi, shannon. we know mr. trump's plan to simplify the tax road consists of taking the current seven brackets and cutting them down to just three. currently the highest tax bracket is 38%. it would drop to 25%. there would be another lower
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bracket at 20%, then 10%. then zero. so anybody making $25,000 a year or less would pay nothing at all. a couple making $50,000 a year would pay nothing at all. he would pay for it with a variety of things, eliminating lots of itemized deductions, particularly for the wealthy. he would go after hedge funds and private equity funds by stopping what's called carried interest. it would be a big tax on them. all in all, the big question is how a big cut going from 38% down to 25% in the largest bracket will go over with the american electorate. secondarily, while there are conservatives who like that, secondarily, mr. trump has reiterated his support for universal health care. the rest of the republican party
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has been going after obamacare, but this is what he said last night. >> everybody has to be covered. this is an un-republican thing to say, i am going to take care of everybody, much better than now. >> the uninsured person is going to be taken care of, how? >> i would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. >> reporter: donald trump making,000making news, now paper policies for the front-runner. >> carl, thanks for breaking it down. joining us to react, welcome to you both. roger, there has been positive reaction. a lot of people say there are a lot of great things. but their concern is maybe mr. trump doesn't stick to this plan. maybe he vacillates and changes position should he become president. what say you? >> i don't think so. it's a very dynamic plan and
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very pro growth plan. it's a very pro entrepreneurial plan. the most important part of this plan is, our current corporate rate is 35%. china is 25%. under a president trump, it would be 15%. you want to bring jobs back from china? that's the best way to do it. it's the most important part of the plan, and it fulfills his commitment in terms of china. the other thing i like about it is it does go after those on wall street who are not paying their fair share. no one can say this is pro wall street. it's pro main street. i am glad to see trump roll this out and this is the issue that he will use to drive to the nomination. >> here's what he talked about earlier. there have been questions whether the wealthiest would get a break. here is what he said howffect h while ago. >> will you pay more money, will it be millions and millions, hundreds of millions, how much
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more will you pay? >> i will probably end up paying more money, but at the same time the economy will do better so i'll make it up that way. i believe in the end, i might do better because i believe the economy is going to go boom, beautiful. >> guys, what do you make of that? you're staking a lot of success on this plan that you believe the economy is going to grow. >> yeah. i'm not sure i'm a big fan of the demagoguing of the rich he's still doing, because we've grown used to that from president obama and others. but i've been an unremitting critic of donald trump for while now and often he deserves those criticisms. but i also call them the kay i see them, and there is a lot to like in this plan from donald trump. i think it will inspire economic growth. so the question is, is he a trustworthy and credible conservative partner when it comes to a conservative governing project moving forward?
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that's the sale he's yet to make with a lot of people on the right. >> roger, he has said as part of his plan that it does not add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large. i think everybody can agree on that latter half. but "the new york times" says in their estimation, it would grow budget deficits by trillions over a decade. >> yeah, they're wrong. first of all, trump doesn't put all of his eggs in the tax free basket. trump is the only one that would have the freedom from special interests to cut spending. no politician willer cut spending. having worked with trump for 36 years, he's very cost conscious. there's fat in the federal government and the budget, so trump would reduce spending but also have a pro growth, pro job creation tax program. this is his strength. he's businessman. he's a job creator. he's paid more taxes than all these other presidential
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candidates combined. i think this is the spark that his campaign needs now to go forward, just as he laid out a path on immigration, he's no laying out a path for economic growth and job creation. >> super quick. he says some folk also lose deductions and loopholes. when you tell them which ones it's going to be and it's theirs, that doesn't always sit well. >> look, he's a bit of a donnie come lately to fiscal conservatism, but we talk about balancing budgets, i'm not sure how we accomplish that with his tax plan and what we heard from carl earlier, that health care plan, which is obamacare on steroids, a bigger plan paid for by the government he said last night. i don't know how you reconcile these two initiatives he's rolled out. >> the answer is simple, growth. >> we're out of time. but we'll keep digging into it. great to see you both.
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planned parenthood supporters show up to a carly fiorina campaign rally. but instead of ignoring them, she decides to engage them. the video and a fair and balanced dbl on the facts coming up. plus, narco rubio and donald trump taking their war of words to new heights after senator rubio calls trump's campaign a freak show. stick around. >> i mean, like you have this clown marco rubio. i've been so nice to him. >> i'm not interested in a back and forth to be a part of his freak show. feel secure in your dentures... feel free to be yourself all day. just switch from denture paste to sea-bond denture adhesive seals. holds stronger than the leading paste all day...
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i've been so nice, i've been so nice. >> there are some debates about who was getting booed there. senator rubio was asked to respond and in turn called donald trump's campaign a freak show. >> i'm not interested in a back and forth to be part of this freak show. he responds to criticism very slowly, but this election is not about donald trump. he thinks it is. but it has to be about the issues confronting our country and every time the issues become prominent, he will say or do something outrageous so he doesn't have to talk about the issues. >> good to see you tonight, mark. >> good to see you, shannon. >> so this slinging of hash has gone back and forth for days now, clowns and freak shows, not serious, lightweight. i mean, the back and forth, who does it benefit and who does it hurt? >> it definitely benefits marco
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rubio. this is the second time in a few weeks that donald trump's personal attacks hurt him. first, his attack on carly fiorina, criticizing her looks backfired. now he just got booed for calling marco rubio a clown. but that's consistent for trump. what's changed is rubio's strategy. before he was keeping his head down, now he's started to taunt him. rubio said trump had a tough week, spoke to an etmpty room i south carolina, was embarrassed by carly fiorina and is an insecure guy. he's goading donald trump into attacking him. it's a deliberate strategy and it's working in rubio's favor. >> trump will go through the list of people, name by name, he talks about rick perry and scott walker and he says look what happens when people come after me, they plummet in the polls. but it doesn't seem like it's play iing out with rubio.
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>> rubio knows the trump act is getting old. that it's like when chris christie first told someone to sit down and shut up, everybody cheered. after the 50th time, it became boarish. that's what is happening with trump. it's becoming too much and it's masking a lack of substance on his part. trump launched his tax reform today and marco rubio got him to step on his story by calling him a lightweight. so he's succeeding. second, he's going after -- the poll shows bush has 7% of the vote right now. marco rubio wants that 7% and he wants jeb bush's donors and he's trying to show he can punch back the way jeb bush couldn't. >> let's look at the latest poll
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showing how tight things are. donald trump just one percentage point ahead of ben carson. so basically in a statistical tie. what do you make of those numbers? >> debates matter. before the cnn debate, donald trump was consistently in the mid to low 30s. right now, he's at 21%. in other polls he's at 23%, 25%. he's dropped significantly. the debate, he's still in first place. i'm sure every other republican candidate would love to have his poll numbers, but he's leveled off. while other candidates who did well have increased. so debates matter. the interesting thing is that the republican party limited the number of debates, because they were planning to protect the establishment front-runner. we only have about four left between now and the first voting. and they're not protecting donald trump. >> and not a lot of this primary
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season has played out like anyone would have expected on the gop side. mark, great to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks, shanon. new questions whether hillary clinton has just perjured herself. james rosen and judge napolitano investigate. and campaign fireworks after a planned parenthood supporter confronts carly fiorina at a rally. see what happens when carly fiorina goes face-to-face with her. just like eddie, the first step to reaching your retirement goals is to visualize them. then, let the principal help you get there. join us as we celebrate eddie's retirement, and start planning your own.
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hi, trace. >> many of the two dozen or so planned parenthood supporters were dressed in pink, waving pompoms as they followed carly fiorina around the tailgate party at the iowa hawkeyes game. they shouted, chanted, even threw condoms. at one point, a 54-year-old woman named cindy, a patient of planned parenthood for 40 years, pushed her way through the crowd to directly confront carly fiorina. it's hard to see, so listen and read along. >> carly fiorina has been getting pushback for her claim during the last gop debate that an undercover video shows a
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fully formed fetus being kept alive to harvest its brain. despite there being no evidence the video she described was shot inside a planned parenthood clinic, carly fiorina defended her remarks on "meet the press." watch. >> that scene absolutely does exist, and that voice saying what i said they were saying, we're going to keep it alive to harvest its brain, exists as well. >> we should show that she also had plenty of supporters turn out to the tailgate party and her campaign says the fact that protesters showed up is a sign that carly fiorina is gaining serious traction. >> all right. trace, thanks so much. joining us now to discuss, founder and executive director of the accountability project and lisa booth, republican pollster and vice president of wpa research. good to see you both. we are all women. the minute that cracked me up is when the woman kept saying to carly fiorina, how could you
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prove that you support us? you're not supporting women, she's like, i am a woman. there's definitely a little friction between those two. lisa, what do you make of this attack? does it show that carly is, you know, appears to be a threat to the left? >> that's absolutely what we're seeing here. when democrats resort to demagoguery and physical and personal attacks, you know you're winning. what carly fiorina does is points out that this isn't about woman's health care for democrats. for democrats, this is about protecting a liberal institution that's the nation's largest abortion provider in the country of aborting babies every 90 seconds. and that maxes out to democrats like hillary clinton. if democrats cared about women's health care, they would want to reallocate the $500 million that taxpayers spend funding planned parenthood and reallocate those to the community held centers that provide more comprehensive
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care that planned parenthood doesn't provide. for each planned parenthood, there are 20 of these centers i. >> mickey, you know, so far planned parenthood is winning this fight. they've stopped any progress on capitol hill. do they feel threatened if the republicans are successful in winning back the white house, that would be the first real threat to them. otherwise, nothing is moving on capitol him. >> any republican knows shutting down the government is not going to work in any republican candidate's favor. carly fiorina has been fact checked by everybody, has fact checked her claims which are fabricated. >> whoa, whoa. we can't say completely fabricated. she had some problems in the retelling of the story. i've seen the video. >> i have watched all of the footage. >> wait, wait, lisa.
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why would the footage be planned parenthood's footage? >> it's not. >> that's what i'm saying. this is an undercover investigation. >> in her campaign video, she claimed it was planned parenthood undercover footage that this organization has created, they're saying this is planned parenthood investigation. >> democrats can't defend planned parenthood. we're talking 17 hours of footage documents the harvesting and selling of baby body parts. hold on -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> nobody can hear you if you are both talking. much of the raw video of this video has been released online and has been provided to law enforcement. so the video exists. [ overlapping speakers ] >> we're talking about an
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organization that is so sufficient financially, that has $1 billion in net access, they netted over $90 million in 2014, doesn't need taxpayer money and it's hard to defend an organization that's facing multiple investigations throughout the country. [ overlapping speakers ] >> give mickey a chance. >> one out of every five women goes to planned parenthood. 97% of the services planned parenthood provide are mammograms -- >> planned parenthood do not provide mammograms. >> we need to be factual here. they do not and they will add mitt that and that is a fact. they don't provide mammograms. >> they provide cancer testing and screenings. >> so do community health centers. >> but those are independently funded and private. >> these are federally approved -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> make the argument to me why
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taxpayers at $500 million should support an organization that financially is self-sufficient, facing federal and state investigations. >> mickey, final word to you. >> seven states have proven that these videos are false. all of the work that planned parenthood does, none of the abortion work is federally funded. it's against the law. >> that is true. [ all talking at once ] >> these statements were made on video. >> some of them were not planned parenthood affiliates. >> right. >> you can't defend planned parenthood and you haven't been able to tonight. >> i would hope that everybody watches the video online and make their own judgments about that. thank you both for the debate. after hillary clinton's appearance on "meet the press," something interesting happened online. her supporters started tweeting the same talking points and now
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coordinating their messages, which is banned. >> shannon, good evening. brad woodhouse, head of the clinton super pac tells me in an e-mail that we are allowed to coordinate. there is no issue here. this followed yesterday morning's tweet by a senior adviser to the clinton campaign which she wrote questions on hillary clinton's e-mails, asked and answered, time to move on. minutes later, woodhouse tweeted the same message. regulations prohibit coordination between campaigns and super pacs. mrs. clinton took part in a facebook q and a, touting her proposals to curb the cost of prescription news. sunday, she said it was her lawyers that reviewed the 63,000 e-mails on her private server and deleted on her word the
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30,000 deemed personal. she also decried a vast right wing conspiracy aimed at her husband. >> can you respond to an alternative explanation that has sort of -- >> another conspiracy theory? >> well, perhaps the reason you wanted to have a private server and not a government server is republicans have been coming at you for years. you might have -- may have been running for president in the future and you wanted to make it a little more difficult for congressional investigators to subpoena your government e-mail and a little more difficult for freedom of information requests, fair theory or not in >> it's totally ridiculous. that never crossed my mind. >> the latest fox news poll finds clinton's favorability rating falling to 38%, with half of women voters rating her negatively. shannon? >> thank you, james. also breaking tonight, new questions about whether or not hillary clinton perjured
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herself. after now e-mails surfaced revealing a new e-mail chain between the former secretary of state and general david petraeus in 2009. e-mails that clinton told authorities she already handed over. joining me now, you dish analyst judge andrew napolitano. good to see you. >> thank you, shannon. >> how much trouble do you think she's in based on what she has attested to up to this point? >> i've been arguing for a while that mrs. clinton's legal problems are grave or worse than grave. and her troubles just keep cascading down upon her. her most recent troubles show that when she certified under oath "under penalty of perjury to a federal judge," that she had surrendered all of her e-mails to the state department and in fact she had not. now, she's going to argue, because she stated this yesterday on one of the sunday morning talk shows, that she's not a technical person, and she didn't pay attention to e-mails
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and she doesn't understand exactly how the entire e-mail system works. i'm afraid that is not an argument that the judge wants to hear and will essentially fall on deaf ears. because he asked her to certify "under penalty of perjury" his phrase, that she had in fact surrendered all the e-mails when we now know she hadn't. so compounding her problem of using her own server, seizing government property, destroying government property, failure to safeguard national security secrets, compounding all of that is the likelihood, the probability that she lied under oath to this federal judge. >> judge, you have been using the "f" word with relation to this case, meaning felony. do you really think she's going to get charged with a felony? >> well, i think that the fbi will recommend to the justice department that she be indicted. what happens there is as much
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politics as it is -- i'll tell you a couple of things that we know of. we know that the fbi team that's investigating her is extremely sophisticated in matters of the use of the internet. we know that this fbi team doesn't care what a potential defendant's last name is, because this is the same team that indicted, prosecuted and convicted david petraeus. and we know that the u.s. assistant attorney, the head of this team, is the same attorney that headed the investigation and successful prosecution of general petraeus. so i suggest to you, shannon, and to those watching us now, if this team recommends indictment and the west wing says no, there will be substantial resignations from the fbi or some type of repercussion, which will address the justice of what's being done opposed to the politics of what's being done. >> judge, i know you think we
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should keep a close eye on ch l cheryl mills, clinton confidant. judge, always good to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, shannon. hillary clinton is facing new trouble in the polls as bernie sanders gains ground. according to a new poll, sanders is now within seven percentage points of clinton. substantially narrowing the 34-point lead clinton had two months ago. joining my first question is, if you were working on this campaign, what would be your advice? >> i would advise the clinton folks to get out what nate silver has called this sort of poll defeating, poll deflating feedback season. she went for two months where there were no news stories about
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her other than the e-mails and will joe biden run. so this is sort of in the public eye right now. the momentum is not on her side. but they always said she's not an inevitable nominee. >> how does she regain the narrative? we talk about two or three or five months back, she had a 60-point lead about anybody else trying to get in. >> go back two years. she had a favorability rating among all americans way above 60%. >> one of the most favored politicians in the whole country. >> more than her sitting president, more than joe biden. >> what happened? >> her poll numbers had nowhere to go but down. >> going down by the 10s. >> she gets into the cycle of negative news stories. republicans have done decades of opposition research on this
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woman, and if all they can come up with are tweets and e-mails and servers -- >> wait, wait. potential violations of federal law. potential felonies. that's not tweets and e-mails. >> this has been investigated by the state department and cia and the department of justice. they've conclusively found she's sent or received absolutely zero e-mails marked classified. >> but may have contained classified information. >> but the status changes from time to time. absolutely. is she in a good position having to explain herself all the time? it's not a position i would want to be in as a candidate. but i think she showed on "meet the press" that she has some serenity. she's saying there are things about this i can't control. she can't control that the koch brothers are funding special interest groups. >> the koch brothers did not buy her a personal server and set it up. >> nobody did. it was set up already, because it was bill clinton's personal server. >> was it bill's fault?
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he's not running. >> let's blame bill. >> unfortunately we're out of time. >> the best defense is a good offense. right now she doesn't have an opponent. it's not like she attack rubio or donald trump right now, because there's no nominee appare apparent. >> we are inside of it and we talk about it and slice and dice it every day, but still more than a year to go. >> thanks, shannon. next, outgoing speaker of the house john boehner making headlines for blasting lawmakers in his own party, calling them absolutely unrealistic. my next guest, a man who wants to replace boehner weighs in on what it means for the future of what it means for the future of the gop. when a moment turns romantic why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night.
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john boehner may have announced his resignation last friday as speaker of the house, but he's certainly not easing up in his assessment of his colleagues, most recently lashing out at some of the most conservative house members, say thanksgiving should be getting something accomplished. take a listen. >> well, are they unrealistic about what can be done in government? >> absolutely they're unrealistic. but the bible says beware of false prophets. and there are people out there spreading noise about how much can get done. we got groups here in town, members of the house and the senate here in town, who whip people into a frenzy believing they can accomplish things that they know, they know are never going to happen. >> florida congressman dan webster has thrown his hat in the ring to become the next speaker of the house. he joins us now live. congressman, what do you make of those comments? and would you be, in pursuing this speakership, promising
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people things that you can't deliver? >> no, what i'm promising is a principle-based member-driven congress. i believe that's the most important thing. power and principle cannot coexist. so what i would like to see is a congress not governed by the top-down in this big pyramid of power, but see it governed on principle so every member has an opportunity to participate. >> last time around, you know, you got several vote and it was a little bit surprising for those of us who were watching. we didn't know if it was a plan or something that happened in the spur of the moment. but clearly some of your colleagues were willing to stick their necks out and say this is our guy. are you going to be able to build the numbers you need to challenge the majority leader mccarthy who says he's in, too? >> well, i think the real key here is i didn't cause the problem. i only exposed one. the exposing of a problem is similar to what i did in florida when i became the first speaker there to operate a principle-based process as opposed to power base.
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because when you have principles, it doesn't really matter what the idea -- who sponsors the idea. what matters is what it says. i think that's the key. when you do that, you take up the most important issues first. the real problem here is every time, time and again, we run up against a deadline and then the only decision is a bad one. >> well, for instance, a continuing resolution and funding the government, is there going to be a point when it goes back to regular budgeting, working through things versus, you know, the edge of the cliff votes that you referenced? >> i think one of the key things is to take up the most important things first. that's it. and i know in florida when i did that, the session before i became speaker, the first bill we took up was the naming of the state pie. that's the problem. that's what we do here. what we need to do is focus on the appropriations, do it first. get it done by, let's say, march 1st, then move on. that way you're not going to be pushed against a deadline that
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says the only thing possible is a cr. >> all right. well, congressman, we all love a good pie, but i think we'd all agree there are much more pressing issues going on the hill. we'll watch this race. it should be very interesting as it plays out. we wish you the best in your efforts. thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me on. thanks, shannon. >> we'll be right back on "the kelly file." looks like some folks have had it with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them.
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tonight's show. by the way, from the looks of my twitter feed, it looks like you're all fired up about that planned parenthood debate we had. dr. ben carson will be here with megyn. tonight, john boehner announces he will step down as speaker of the house. and what does he do but trash conservatives. >> absolutely they're unrealistic. the bible says beware of false prophets. >> members of the house freedom caucus tonight are here to respond. >> this is a plan that's simple, that's a major reduction. i think people are going to be very happy. >> also, donald trump unveils his new tax plan. >> this is my wheelhouse. that's what i do well. >> also, we have the latest poll numbers. ainsley earhardt is at the "hannity" big board tonight with more. and the new book that claims hillary clinton has major health issues and even turned to hollywood to make her more likable. author ed klein will be in the studio with all the detail.